1996 Republican National Convention

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DigitalTalkTV HYPERSCRIPT - KSDO AM 1130 Radio

The Roger Hedgecock Show

1 Roger Hedgecock. August 12th, 1996.

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: Because you had some misgivings

3 about Reagan tax cuts and what it might do the to deficit.

4 GUEST: No, I didn't have any misgivings about

5 that. I was in favor of all those tax cuts. They worked.

6 They brought inflation down to that low level that it's been

7 ever since. We've had very strong real ideas, and our problem

8 was not a decline in revenues because the economy grew revenues

9 were up. Our problem that was every time President Reagan

10 would send his budget to Congress with spending cuts in it

11 they'd say dead on arrival. In other words the democratic

12 Congress would just not take will spending control. So if

13 Bob Dole is in there with a Republican Senate and a Republican

14 house we'll get control of the spending don't worry about it.

15 MR. HEDGECOCK: So it has to be spending and tax

16 cuts.

17 GUEST: Absolutely.

18 MR. HEDGECOCK: You were there and I want to get

19 confirmed on this because we debate this on the talk shows all

20 the time: In those years, in the '80s, the tax cuts come along

21 and that is for gets ton is what you just said. Wasn't there

22 some kind of deal that dollar for dollar the democrats were

23 going to reduce the spending.

24 GUEST: They were supposed to take two dollars ever

25 spending for every one dollar on the tax side and they totally

26 absolutely reneged.

27 MR. HEDGECOCK: Far from being a cut of two dollars

28 it was actually an increase of spending.




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1 GUEST: Absolutely.

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: So that's the story you never

3 hear.

4 GUEST: It's also true that under Ronald Reagan

5 that's the price we pay for clearing the debt we inherited.

6 Rose to 6.2 percent by the time Ronald Reagan left office, it

7 was down to 2.9 percent. So we were making headway in spite of

8 the resistance from Congress an in spite of the increasing --

9 the increasing spending.

10 GUEST: The increase in spending.

11 MR. HEDGECOCK: Now you had something to say about

12 foreign policy, if I recall correctly.

13 GUEST: Yeah, I remember something about that.

14 MR. HEDGECOCK: Something about that.

15 GUEST: We're on economic policy now.

16 MR. HEDGECOCK: From your expertise as well in the

17 foreign policy side, there's something to be said it seems to

18 me and I'd like to hear your views on the success slash

19 failures of the Clinton administration in the foreign policy

20 area.

21 GUEST: Well, they have presided over -- produced a

22 catastrophe and it really hurts me because I remember when

23 Ronald Reagan left office or George Bush left office. America

24 was respected throughout the world. It's no longer the case.

25 Of course everybody deals with us because we're so big and so

26 strong, but we've had this pattern of saying one thing doing

27 another thing. Nobody knows quite where the president --

28 president Clinton stands. And the result is I travel around




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1 the world, foreign leaders just have all kinds of questions

2 marks about America now. So it's very important to restore

3 that respect. Locally, citizens in San Diego County have a lot

4 of questions about America and foreign policy vis-a-vis

5 Mexico. Because we see, in this area a federal government not

6 as interested in protecting the borders of the United States as

7 we were in protecting the borders of Kuwait. And the platform

8 address this issue. What are your views, the long view that

9 you have?

10 GUEST: Well, I think obviously we have to get

11 control of illegal immigration. An partly that's a question of

12 control of the border and -- partly it's a question of helping

13 Mexico do better.

14 MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes.

15 GUEST: So people don't want to leave so much. And

16 partly it's a question of reducing the incentives they have to

17 come here. So these things have to be part of the equation.

18 So you're in favor of illegal immigration an we have -- after

19 all here in California, I think something like one thirds of

20 all illegal I am grants winds up in California. We're -- we're

21 in favor of illegal immigration, but these waves of illegal

22 immigration have been costing us dearly.

23 MR. HEDGECOCK: For Schultz as usual a great deal

24 of common sense simply expressed and we appreciate you're being

25 on KSDO. Thank you very much.

26 MR. HEDGECOCK: Schultz formerly in the Reagan and

27 Bush administration. Mr. Schultz, I appreciate it. And no

28 matter what he says, he looks tan and fit and rested to me.

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1 560-1130's our phone number, and we are going to take a short

2 break for news and come back.

3 MR. HEDGECOCK: My station we're back live

4 560-1130. Yes, I will get the phone calls an we will do that.

5 Polk Wyrick is with us from the WNT. I want to get to Paul in

6 a minute but let's also get a good word from the Port District

7 Susan Lu.

8 GUEST: Hello Roger.

9 MR. HEDGECOCK:

10 GUEST: How are you?

11 MR. HEDGECOCK: Good. How are you.

12 GUEST: This is exciting.

13 MR. HEDGECOCK: This is your convention. Your

14 convention center.

15 GUEST: You're right.

16 MR. HEDGECOCK: Here it is.

17 GUEST: This is great. And I'd like to use this

18 opportunity on behalf of the Port of San Diego and I'd like to

19 welcome all the delegates and all the visitors to be in

20 San Diego. The Republican National Convention, Go There Virtually! We can order better weather and more beautiful

21 harbor front for you. And enjoy yourself. Spend money and About the Old Globe Theatre

22 come back for the convention and for vacation. San Diego County Surfrider Chapter So thank you

23 again, Roger.

24 MR. HEDGECOCK: All right Susan Lu. Thanks very

25 much from the Port Commission. It was great to see you. In

26 fact, Susan Golding said the same thing in her welcoming

27 address the chamber of commerce hint to that. Spend your

28 money, -- Paul Wyrick welcome to the show.Values Matter Most



1 GUEST: Happy to be here.

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: It's an important event for you and

3 your network too. What are your plans in terms ever coverage

4 what are you doing with this convention.

5 GUEST: Well we're doing inserts in two regular

6 shows, then we're doing three hours of coverage every night

7 from 6:00 to 9:00 Pacific time. And we're also feeding

8 packages for use in other shows, so some way other another,

9 most of our programs will be touched by this coverage out in

10 San Diego.

11 MR. HEDGECOCK: And indeed, because of the -- the

12 import of the issues being debated here which are of course,

13 the meet and potatoes of the debate on your network an on this

14 show an many others, you know, this is an important moment,

15 isn't it?

16 GUEST: Well, it is an it isn't. I'm instruct

17 struck by the fact that the platform committee who I think did

18 an outstanding job of representing grass roots America, did

19 their work many it's being ratified by the convention, but the

20 nominee says he's not bound by anything on the platform. Republican National Convention: Preliminary Delegate Allocation (cont.)


21 MR. HEDGECOCK: I saw that in the press. That's

22 kind of profoundly disturbing isn't it. You have a progress

23 that he participated in very strongly, and then at the ends of

24 process, he says well I may are may not. Now you can

25 understand tactically it's too heavy I'm not going to -- you

26 know I'll be a middle of the road guy. What do you say to the

27 rest of the activists who worked so hard and believed so

28 strongly in those issues.



1 GUEST: And once they have been around a certain

2 time that they simply don't listen to the people anymore. Well

3 may men to that.

4 MR. HEDGECOCK: And I don't know we don't have to

5 say anything more than that. I think it speaks for itself.

6 When you look at Bill Clinton for example, a young as a man

7 he's never had a private sector job. He's been in government

8 since he was a young adult.

9 GUEST: Well that's exactly right. So many of

10 those who reach that level, have been around for a long time.

11 In Washington it will be 30 years this coming January, the more

12 I have become an advocate of term limits, because I really

13 think it's the only way to actually bring change.

14 MR. HEDGECOCK: Are you folks talking at all -- and

15 I'm going to probably hit all our guests with this topic. I

16 hit George Schultz with it. Are you talking at all about

17 immigration in your programming? Because here in San Diego, of

18 course, you're on the front lines of an invasion of our country

19 by people breaking in the country illegally and wreaking havoc

20 on this side.

21 GUEST: We have a show called "Borderline" which is

22 a weekly show which handles nothing but --

23 MR. HEDGECOCK: Good.

24 GUEST: -- immigration questions. And you know,

25 it's an interesting thing. This is a topic which ought to be

26 discussed by the political community. It is not being

27 discussed. It's discussed in the platform but I guarantee you

28 you're really not going to see much discussion out of Bob Dole

1 particularly now that he has selected Jack Kemp. Bipartisan Economic Agenda - Jack Kemp

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: That's exactly right. Because as

3 fondly as we remember him from the San Diego Chargers he was of

4 course more recently a big opponent with Bill Bennett of

5 Proposition 187 here in California.

6 GUEST: I just told a reporter from Businessweek

7 that I think that the selection of Jack Kemp may mean that the

8 Dole campaign is going to have to write off California. Campaign '96, Supporting Candidates

9 MR. HEDGECOCK: Interesting points. And we have

10 yet to see that, but I think that's an interesting point.

11 How do we see your network in San Diego? Are we on

12 any of the cable systems.

13 GUEST: No. Unfortunately, they have not been

14 responsive to lots of people. I know listeners of your show.

15 MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes.

16 GUEST: Have plugged for this.

17 MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes, they have.

18 GUEST: You know, there are more channels there

19 that are going to be added when the systems are rebuilt. And I

20 hope people keep asking for it.

21 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well we hope so too, because as I

22 was thinking about it you and I are sitting here talking about

23 programming. Our listeners can't see and can't get to.

24 GUEST: Even if they have satellite, right? No, if

25 they have a satellite we can get it because we don't scramble.

26 MR. HEDGECOCK: Now, if I have Prime Star which I

27 do.

28 GUEST: No. Can't get that.

1 MR. HEDGECOCK: It's not on there although we

2 expect to be on the direct broadcast system come the fall.

3 MR. HEDGECOCK: All right. Keep to tune into your

4 programming. To their ability to understand the headlines of

5 the day.

6 GUEST: You know, well, Roger as I have told you,

7 one of the things that I want to do when we can get the means

8 to do it is to do some shows from out here so that we pick up

9 some of the issues that are pertinent and you're the first guy

10 I'm going call.

11 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well, we'd love to do it. And

12 there are any of those issues and we'd love to see a lot wider

13 audience for the truth telling that goes on ENT or EIT??? A

14 political news network. The chief executive officer that got

15 the things off the grounds a couple years ago. Well, how long

16 has it been.

17 GUEST: Three years.

18 MR. HEDGECOCK: Thank you for joining us here at

19 KSDO an the republic can National Convention. Republican Home Page

20 GUEST: Thank you. Republican National

21 Convention.

22 MR. HEDGECOCK: I'm getting to it. So in Vienna I

23 didn't want to be insulting if you didn't call it German. I

24 know it's some offshoot of German because Germans can tell if

25 you're an Austrian and you're speaking Austrian, right?

26 GUEST: Right.

27 MR. HEDGECOCK: So how do you say Vienna in

28 Austrian, then?

1 GUEST: "Veen".

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: "Veen." It's simple then.

3 GUEST: It's very simple. And your name is to

4 cover the convention.

5 GUEST: We are covering the convention we are doing

6 things about happening around the convention.

7 MR. HEDGECOCK: So you're trying to get a little

8 slice of what's going on in American political life.

9 GUEST: We have fun.

10 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well, the weather is good we

11 appreciate you, Gunther, coming by. 560-1130.

12 Speaking about Prime Star let me tell you a little

13 bit about Prime Star me an my kids particularly we absolutely

14 love it. No equipment to buy or maintain...

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18 MR. HEDGECOCK: And tonight at the convention Colin

19 Powell, Nancy Reagan, President Reagan will be a videotape

20 presentation. They'll call him tonight the Last Great Lion of

21 the twentieth century. George Bush will be here.

22 Senator John McCain and we've heard him already and a number

23 of governors will be here. A lot is being made of the fact that

24 Governor Pete Wilson is not speaking. I don't understand what

25 people's confusion is about this. Governor Wilson declined --

26 declined -- declined -- I guess I have to say this about 500

27 times.

28 Every other place in the media you will hear I got

1 interviewed by the Sacramento Bee an the reporter said twice

2 after I corrected her, "Governor Wilson has been barred from

3 speaking at the convention. What do you think? "

4 I go no. No. No. Can I just tell you what

5 happened? Governor Wilson declined to speak at the convention

6 at the time and place and manner requested of him by the RNC by

7 the Republican national committee. And all other speakers who

8 have said yes are speaking all other speakers who said no are

9 not speaking. And it's true and let's be blunt about this that

10 Pete Wilson was not offered a very good time or a manner to

11 speak. There's no question about that.

12 He was offered welcoming remarks instead of the

13 rambling ten minute Pete Wilson 24-word-in-a-sentence speech

14 that he wanted to give about what -- first it was crime, then

15 it was illegal immigration, and then it was something else. He

16 wanted a starring role in the convention. This is at the same

17 time while he's kicking Bob Dole in the shins at the platform

18 committee and jockying for position at the year 2,000 now he's

19 grumbling that he hasn't been made a star at the convention.

20 Please. Please. Please. As James Brown used to say.

21 Do not expect to get a starring role, Pete Wilson,

22 if you are kicking your nominee in the shins. So let's be

23 completely careful about how this is taken. Oh, you will also

24 hear a lot. You will hear a lot about then-governor Bill Casey

25 of Pennsylvania in 1992 who was barred from speaking at the

26 democratic party convention because he was pro life. And the

27 press is all over -- all over the republicans 22 questions on

28 four Sunday network morning shows about why Pete Wilson was not

1 allowed to speak.

2 You know, I'll get to in a minute why it's

3 different. But besides that, do you understand that while Bill

4 Casey was forbidden from speaking in 1992, not one question,

5 not one reference on CBS, not one reference on ABC, not one

6 question from Cokey Roberts, not one question was ever asked of

7 Bill Clinton of the RNC chairman, or in any other way was it

8 brought up by the media that Bill Casey was barred agency a pro

9 life gone nor of Pennsylvania from speaking at the convention,

10 the democratic convention in 1992. His name in fact has been

11 mentioned 5 times more frequently because he is now used by

12 questioners to say, well how come you guys barred Pete Wilson

13 because gosh isn't it like Bill -- isn't it like Casey, Bill

14 Casey back in Pennsylvania in '92. They didn't bring up Bill

15 Casey in '92 but they're bringing him up now in Pete Wilson as

16 I'm going to tell you again, I want you to tell your friends

17 you'll never hear it anywhere else. The media has now declined

18 this as true: That he has been barred from speaking at the

19 convention. Pete Wilson was invited to speak and declined to

20 speak. He didn't like the role he was given. He didn't like

21 what he was supposed to do. He got that role admittedly a

22 limited welcoming role. He got it because he was trying to

23 jockey for the year 2,000 before Bob Dole even got to the

24 election.

25 And Bob Dole doesn't like getting kicked in the

26 shins. Doesn't have anything to do with pro life or pro

27 abortion it doesn't have anything to do with what Pete would

28 have said. He wanted to give his immigration speech; he wanted

1 to give his crime speech. He's not going to get to give any of

2 those speeches because what he wanted to do was kick Bob Dole

3 in the shins and start a floor fight republicans have not seen

4 for 22 years. And the last time they saw it in 1964 it

5 defeated or helped to defeat the hapless Barry Goldwater. How

6 can I be so steamed up with such a lovely lady standing here in

7 front of me what is your name.

8 GUEST: My name is Lief Eaton.

9 MR. HEDGECOCK: Leaf how are you.

10 GUEST: I'm fine though.

11 MR. HEDGECOCK: A fine Keltic name, Lief.

12 GUEST: What we have sheer the convention poster

13 the official one called road to the white house this is of a

14 painting that I did during a Sello ^^?? exhibition that I had

15 the United States Congress in January of this year. And I was

16 actually commissioned by nor and Mrs. Dole to do the painting.

17 And I finished it 2 1/2 days later.

18 MR. HEDGECOCK: Let me see the rest of it. Here's

19 your name leaf Eaton what is Scintillism.

20 GUEST: Scintillism is a post impressionist

21 technique.

22 MR. HEDGECOCK: I thought it was something like

23 scintillating.

24 GUEST: It is scintillating colors of light.

25 MR. HEDGECOCK: This is your words of the day

26 divulgence define please scintillism and it is in fact, it is

27 kind of post impressionist, isn't it.

28 GUEST: Yes. Yes, it is. And I've also done a

1 painting of president -- former president Bush.

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: I hope -- I hope Dole doesn't wear

3 a suit of that color, actually. If he does -- actually, it's a

4 very nice painting.

5 GUEST: Thank you.

6 MR. HEDGECOCK: And this is the official poster.

7 GUEST: Yes an the original painting is actually in

8 the emporium No. 411.

9 MR. HEDGECOCK: It's in the emporium. Now my

10 listeners have not got this yet?

11 A. In the convention center.

12 MR. HEDGECOCK: There's a huge emporium of

13 exhibits.

14 GUEST: Yes No. 411. 411.

15 MR. HEDGECOCK: Thank you for coming by. Beautiful

16 poster. Now to button man. Button man how are you?

17 GUEST: I'm fine.

18 MR. HEDGECOCK: Festooned to the front of your --

19 you have buttons festooning the front of your jacket. Is this

20 an -- your intention to -- to decorate yourself thusly?

21 GUEST: I think politics is a very serious business

22 but every once in a while you've got to have some fun and the

23 National Convention is the best way I can think of of

24 displaying my collection ever but tons.

25 MR. HEDGECOCK: Jim has got a Wilke ^??? button.

26 At the New Orleans convention in 1988.

27 GUEST: And my favorite is this one that is blank

28 which is a representation of the democrat platform in 1988.

1 Then I started collecting buttons prior to that at antique

2 stores an different places I've been able to finds them I have

3 about two or three hundred in my collection and I'm wearing

4 about one hundred ever them.

5 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well, I want to add to your button

6 collection my favorites one of the a big Kelly green one that

7 that says, "Annoy The I.R.S. Support The Flat Tax" do you have

8 that one yet?

9 GUEST: I don't. I'll be glad to put that on.

10 MR. HEDGECOCK: We're in cyberspace here in

11 San Diego as well as being spayed in San Diego. And this is --

12 this is the world wide westbound westbound site button for the

13 San Diego daily transcript. And their special WWW..SDDT.Com

14 convention site. Their web site at which all of what we are

15 doing is being broadcast to an unsuspecting world.

16 GUEST: Thank you very much.

17 MR. HEDGECOCK: Button man, what is your actual

18 name? I'm sorry.

19 GUEST: Daryl Fuller. I'm a delegate from Oregon.

20 MR. HEDGECOCK: From Oregon. Thank you very much

21 for stopping by.

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25 MR. HEDGECOCK: And we're back live here at the

26 Republican National Convention 560-1130 our phone number and I

27 do want to get the calls and I want to find out -- I feel like

28 I'm kind of sealed here in the bubble of the convention center

1 by the security. Lots of nice San Diegans have come by,

2 though, and one is right here.

3 What's your name?

4 GUEST: Kim Nelson.

5 MR. HEDGECOCK: High Kim Nelson how are you.

6 GUEST: Good.

7 MR. HEDGECOCK: How long have you been listening to

8 my show?

9 GUEST: 7 years.

10 MR. HEDGECOCK: 7 years.

11 GUEST: Since 7th grade actually.

12 MR. HEDGECOCK: You must have been 7 when you

13 started listening to the show.

14 GUEST: I'm at the youth pavilion and et cetera a

15 separate convention for youth in America from all over the

16 country and we're having a separate convention as well as in

17 the evening we are actually on the floor of the convention. So

18 it's a real exciting program for all these youth people who are

19 republicans and share the same beliefs.

20 MR. HEDGECOCK: Boy, that's kind of neat. So

21 you're meeting young people from all over the country.

22 GUEST: Yes.

23 MR. HEDGECOCK: That is great. That is great. So

24 what are the session times when are you in this thing?

25 GUEST: Actually tonight we're in there the whole

26 time from 4:00 to 8:00. It's going to go all week long. So

27 we're going to be -- for everything from 4:00 to 8:00. The

28 main speeches.

1 MR. HEDGECOCK: That's great, Kim. Good for you.

2 So you're volunteering.

3 GUEST: We had pay for it. We had to -- we were

4 chosen between other people in our state.

5 MR. HEDGECOCK: Yep.

6 GUEST: So.

7 MR. HEDGECOCK: How much did it cost you.

8 GUEST: It was 300 25 dollars and we're staying at

9 UCSD and USD campuses.

10 MR. HEDGECOCK: So that's great. You're getting a

11 chance to mix. What school do you go to.

12 GUEST: I'm at Grossmont Community College.

13 MR. HEDGECOCK: Thanks for dropping by. Thanks for

14 listening to the show.

15 GUEST: Thanks. Thanks.

16 MR. HEDGECOCK: Joining us now a familiar voice an

17 face and penalties from the House of Representatives Linda

18 Smith of Oregon. Welcome to Washington --

19 GUEST: Washington.

20 MR. HEDGECOCK: I didn't say Oregon.

21 MR. HEDGECOCK: Linda Smith from Oregon not

22 Washington. Linda Smith from Washington State is here how are

23 you.

24 GUEST: I'm having a blast.

25 MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes you are, because you know

26 what? Your husband is the delegate.

27 GUEST: That's right.

28 MR. HEDGECOCK: We had him on. We ran across each

1 other at the owe at the Buchanan event in Escondido last night.

2 GUEST: Yes. Yes.

3 MR. HEDGECOCK: And we were talking about this and

4 your husband had originally supported.

5 GUEST: Buchanan.

6 MR. HEDGECOCK: Buchanan?

7 A. Uh-huh.

8 Q. And now he's a delegate to the convention and came

9 to here Buchanan and sounds like he heard from Buchanan what he

10 wanted to hear?

11 GUEST: I think he heard from Buchanan is he that

12 we need to come together anybody who worked as hard as Bill

13 Clinton has for more government, more intrusive government

14 bigger government needs to be removed, and that was the message

15 from Buchanan last night.

16 MR. HEDGECOCK: And your husband was hoping to hear

17 in a message to unite this Republican campaign and that's

18 certainly what Buchanan did, although a tear came to his eye The MVHS Oracle: Opinions: Pat Buchanan A New Hitler a

19 couple of times and in recounting the crusade that they had run

20 throughout the country and going over the issues that propelled

21 and invigorated that crusade all the people all over the

22 country the three million voters certainly that he had across

23 the country. It was a -- it was a very emotional speech.

24 GUEST: You know it took a lot of courage for him

25 to stand there and say we need to go on as I team. And he

26 felt, I'm sure that he felt the game hadn't been played

27 completely fairly for him.

28 He went up in my admiration level or my admiration

1 level for him went up as I watched him say the better good is

2 more important than this man Pat Buchanan. I think he did

3 himself well, but also this convention well by giving that

4 great speech.

5 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well, I agree with you and I

6 certainly haven't heard anything as enobling from the governor

7 of our own state.

8 560-1130 our phone number. Do we have callers,

9 Jimmy Valentine? Is somebody taking calls? I'd like to take some

10 callers before we get too far -- Linda campaign reform is

11 something we have talked about many, many many times. Are you

12 dog anything to advance the cause as you were thoroughly

13 snubbed by the House of Representatives? Do you have any plans

14 during the convention to raise the issue again.

15 GUEST: Well first of all, I don't believe that we

16 were snubbed I think we were making heads way.

17 MR. HEDGECOCK: That's my characterization. To be

18 objective by it the lip of my party the lip of the or party,

19 none of these people steam interested it really cutting off the

20 mother's milk of politics the heroin that really infects our

21 system. When we're elected we can raise nearly half a million

22 dollars from special interests by going to parties every night

23 surrounding the Capitol. That's pretty addictive to than come

24 home to the people. But it's growing. The growing movement

25 within Congress is growing fast to say it's time we stopped

26 these parties an we go home to the American people to cam pan.

27 But remember, we're rights in the midst of a campaign. I was

28 pushing this at I time when we said we needs the money we don't

1 wanted to change?

2 A. I don't -- I don't agree with them I think the

3 republicans need to clean up the mess that the democrats gave

4 us after 42 years of absolute control. The republicans needs

5 to clean house and I think the American people would put them

6 in as the majority party for many, many years to come if they

7 would do that.

8 MR. HEDGECOCK: This is a winning issue you think.

9 GUEST: It's the right issue and when you do the

10 right thing, you find the people responds to that. Everybody

11 knows that it's not right to take money when you're voting.

12 MR. HEDGECOCK: You know I can tell Jimmy that

13 Linda lives in a smaller town. She doesn't live in the big

14 city.

15 GUEST: I live in Vancouver, Washington connected

16 to Portland, Oregon.

17 MR. HEDGECOCK: But Vancouver, how big is

18 Vancouver?

19 GUEST: About a quarter of a million connected to

20 Portland.

21 Why do you think I'm from a small city?

22 MR. HEDGECOCK: Because you have these wonderfully

23 refreshing direct values. Wait you even speak is kinds of

24 these declarative sentences reaffirming the old truth is the

25 honesty the integrity and I just love the way you talk.

26 GUEST: But thank you. I'll tell you I've been in

27 inner city ports land inner city Seattle. And you find the

28 people say the same thing.

1 It's time to clean up our government.

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: No doubt about that. Linda Smith

3 though for dropping by.

4 GUEST: Thank you. And you're a very good

5 interviewer.

6 MR. HEDGECOCK: Let's take a call Roy in Chula

7 Vista does that say Roy.

8 GUEST: Joy.

9 MR. HEDGECOCK: Joy in Chula Vista. Joy how.

10 GUEST: I'm fine Roger how are you.

11 MR. HEDGECOCK: I'm good.

12 GUEST: Thank God for you. You tell us the truth.

13 MR. HEDGECOCK: Thank you for listening and for

14 calling in. I was kind of feeling isolated in the bubble of

15 the convention here a with a from my audience.

16 GUEST: I know. I got to write you a little notes

17 when my pastor was running for Congressman. I got to see you

18 that was a thrill for me. I want to say a couple things an I

19 wanted to ask you and I'm afraid this thing I'm going to ask is

20 so stupid you're audience is going to laugh.

21 But you know, they lost me when they took on --

22 MR. HEDGECOCK: Who lost you?

23 GUEST: The republicans.

24 MR. HEDGECOCK: The republicans lost you when they

25 took what?

26 GUEST: When they took on Jack Kemp.

27 MR. HEDGECOCK: When they took on Jack Kemp.

28 GUEST: The borders, abortion, ACLU NewsWire -- 05/06/96: Abortion Debate Continues for GOP

1 what was the other thing.

2 MR. HEDGECOCK: He's pro life.

3 GUEST: Yes. And you know, every -- well, Buchanan

4 was my man.

5 MR. HEDGECOCK: All right.

6 GUEST: You know, and so --

7 Q. Now, past -- Pat has not left. Pat said last night

8 that he's saying --

9 A. Well, is his name going to be on the ballot?

10 MR. HEDGECOCK: No, his name's not going to be on

11 the ballot. Neither is Lamar Alexander or Pete Wilson or

12 anybody else.

13 GUEST: You know, I can't voted for Kemp.

14 MR. HEDGECOCK: Way eight minute joy. Don't you

15 dare stay home and give me Bill Clinton again?

16 A. No, I won't vote for him. I'd rather have

17 Mickey Mouse.

18 MR. HEDGECOCK: Joy -- go ahead.

19 GUEST: I want to ask a stupid question.

20 MR. HEDGECOCK: No questions are stupid.

21 GUEST: It's probably stupid what I think would be

22 the answer to the question. Who do we owe the national debt

23 to?

24 MR. HEDGECOCK: Mostly ourselves sometimes to

25 foreigners. Mostly to our pension plans.

26 GUEST: To ourselves we owe it?

27 MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes in various forms.

28 GUEST: Okay. All right. That was my question.

1 My answer I thought why not all in all these great monstrous

2 debts everybody calls us an pay it.

3 MR. HEDGECOCK: Call in the debts everybody owes us

4 what are you talking about?

5 A. Okay we have lent money to every nation in the

6 world bar none, I up pose.

7 MR. HEDGECOCK: Sorted of?

8 A. So why can't we just say hey, come on, you know,

9 we're poor now pay us so we can pay our debts.

10 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well people have been paying us

11 actually the Mexicans have been paying us on their 50 million

12 dollars bail out. They have been paying us ahead of time. For

13 crying out loud with a name like Joy you ought to be getting

14 good news.

15 Bill Jones is joining us. The secretary of state.

16 On a number of issues standing up tall for a lot of tough stuff

17 and bill, thanks for being with us.

18 GUEST: Glad to be with you Roger.

19 MR. HEDGECOCK: The -- I hate to even get into this

20 three strikes thing. My blood pressure goes up. I don't want

21 to get into three strikes. My doctor said to me please stay a

22 way from it for a week or two. Let the body recover. Those

23 judges are driving me nuts.

24 GUEST: Me also, Roger. And you know, the reason

25 we drafted three strikes the way he did initially was to make

26 sure the district attorneys had the flexibility and district

27 attorneys stands for election every four years and you can vote

28 them in or vote them out. And it was working very well in fact

1 for the first time we saw parole lease leave California. We

2 were exporting parolees rather than jobs. Though when we

3 wanted to make sure we goat a state Senate so we can get this

4 corrected. I'm not averse to flexibility for the judges but I

5 am averse to having some discretion so there's no deterrence in

6 the law I'm afraid that that's what we're back to.

7 MR. HEDGECOCK: Not only that I think we're back to

8 redoing 20 thousand already sentenced in almost all cases

9 dangerous felons who have been career criminals and who are

10 sentenced to life sentences and are now because of the Supreme

11 Court ruling in our states are able to claim that they're

12 deserving of yet another trial and more taxpayer funds and

13 maybe the notion that they don't have to go away for life.

14 What the people want is I deterrence. We had a 14 percent

15 reduction in crime in the last two years and for the first time

16 as I said parole ease were leaving the state rather than coming

17 to California. Most of the 20,000 will not have to be

18 retried. They'll petition but the fact going forward we've got

19 to maintain that deterrence and not lose it.

20 MR. HEDGECOCK: And another one, this is going to

21 be on my list of blood pressure raising topics is the question

22 of voter fraud. And of course, in your responsibility as

23 secretary of state, I've seen a booklet now put out by some

24 folks who are just randomly going an checking voters who have

25 been dead for a whole long time but are suddenly still voting

26 who are not little in this country and are -- and are some

27 cases don't even know they registered they simply signed

28 whether it was a driver's license or welfare offers. Is motor

1 voter the federal legislation tying our hands to have a voter

2 role that has some integrity to it.

3 GUEST: Motor/voter hurt us from the standpoint

4 took our responsibility of deadwood people who have died or

5 moved away. The positive side, if there is one, that we're

6 actually getting people going in and changing their address in

7 the DMV. That's good. Positive purge. You have to make sure

8 you let us know whether you're still around or you are who you

9 say you are.

10 Plus, because of legislation I sponsored last year,

11 when you go to register we're asking you to put your driver's

12 license on the registration form which helps us determine you

13 are who you say you are. And keeps us from being able to

14 register three times. We're turning this around. We're

15 changing it and over the next couple years now when I think

16 what we have in effect it will be a big improvement but we're

17 not there yet.

18 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well Bill Jones we appreciate you

19 coming by the only republican elected statewide from central

20 valley. Don't be defensive. There weren't enough of us there

21 to say that.

22 GUEST: That's right.

23 MR. HEDGECOCK: Bill Jones thanks. You're a great

24 guy. Thanks for coming by I appreciate it. Let's take a call

25 from Ernie in Lakeside coming up next. Hello, Ernie.

26 GUEST: Yes hello, Roger. Thanks for taking my

27 call.

28 MR. HEDGECOCK: Thanks for calling.

1 GUEST: Yes. The reason I called was about your

2 comment you made about Pete Wilson. And first of all, let me

3 say I can't stand Pete Wilson I think he's been a terrible

4 governor. I am no supporter of his whatsoever. But I think

5 the republicans treated him badly and the reason is that he was

6 the former Mayor of this city, he really created the modern

7 City of San Diego.

8 MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes, he did.

9 GUEST: He is the governor of the state. He's a

10 Republican, and that reason alone common courtesy dictates to

11 me that he should have been given a major spot at this

12 convention. And I'm reminded when Ronald Reagan won the

13 nomination in Detroit in 1980. I remember distinctly Coleman

14 Young the liberal democratic Mayor of that city spoke to that

15 convention. And it just occurs to me that if Ronald Reagan had

16 the courtesy and the largess to allow a liberal democrat who

17 was blatantly supporting president Carter to speak at his

18 convention, Bob Dole should definitely allow the governor that

19 is a member of his own party speak at his convention.

20 MR. HEDGECOCK: Well you understand why the two are

21 completely different don't you.

22 GUEST: No, I don't actually.

23 MR. HEDGECOCK: Let me go through it again. I've

24 gone it three times let's he I'll do it as many times as

25 necessary.

26 GUEST: Okay.

27 MR. HEDGECOCK: Pete Wilson was invited so speak at

28 the convention and declined to speak at the convention. He was

1 invited as you suggest and this is entirely proper to be here

2 this morning for the -- for the evening celebration, the

3 opening events, and to give a welcome to the delegates, to give

4 a pitch in terms of California, to talk about the City,

5 whatever he wanted to do. There was no censorship of what

6 remarks he would have made. He was limited if time as all

7 speakers are because they're trying to move this convention

8 along and includes a lot of people. He declined. Let me say

9 it -- I'm not going to get through unless I say it 500 times.

10 He declined to speak at the convention.

11 GUEST: Yes, Roger I've heard you say that before.

12 MR. HEDGECOCK: It's true. It's not a matter of me

13 saying it. It's true.

14 GUEST: I saw him speak he was interviewed on CNN

15 yesterday. He didn't say he was declined. He said he was told

16 that he would not be given the time slot that he'd originally

17 been promised.

18 MR. HEDGECOCK: Now. Now. This --

19 GUEST: And it would have been an embarrassing time

20 slot that he was given.

21 MR. HEDGECOCK: Was it embarrassing to open the

22 convention with all of the cameras going? You see, what he

23 wanted -- now he's being -- I think there's a word for this,

24 and I'm going to use the word if you needs a dictionary, folks

25 out there, public school and all that stuff. The word is

26 petulant. Petulant. Pete Wilson is demanding that it be his

27 way or no way. He's demanding that he give his big speech of

28 undetermined length on whatever topic he wants, which no

1 speaker at this convention is being allowed to do that. No

2 speaker is being allowed to do that.

3 A. I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

4 MR. HEDGECOCK: No, sir it is not.

5 GUEST: I think he's probably being petulant

6 because, I as I said, I don't particularly like the man and I'm

7 not trying to defend him at all. But I really think he wasn't

8 offered that the position that his position of Governor and

9 former Mayor of this city, you know, demands for him to be

10 there. You know, at a time that he should have been.

11 MR. HEDGECOCK: And let me tell you what was

12 originally the case. The major offer I was going to make a

13 major address. He was going to do it in prime time. He had in

14 fact been offered that. He first talked about doing a speech

15 on crime. Then he was talking about doing one on immigration.

16 And all of that, however, and then you have to understand how

17 this works: You can't -- you can't be doing that and then turn

18 around and kick your nominee in the shins by -- by bucking him

19 at the platform committee and then when you don't get your way,

20 threatening a floor fight. I'm sorry, this is not the team

21 work that I think people envision.

22 In other words --

23 GUEST: Well I'm young I don't think team work

24 should have should be a criteria.

25 MR. HEDGECOCK: Sir. I'm sorry for interrupting

26 you?

27 A. The Coleman Young analogy has nothing to do here.

28 Coleman young opened the convention as the host city Mayor.

1 GUEST: That's correct.

2 Q. Welcoming the delegates he didn't talk about what

3 substantive issue so that's not true. He talked about the

4 city's future at the time. I think if you go back and look at

5 the speech?

6 MR. HEDGECOCK: No. No. No. He welcomed the

7 delegates, he talked about his city. He talked about the

8 convention he talked about welcoming them. You know, it

9 wasn't -- an issue oriented speech no. Brian knows this format

10 better than I do. 560-1130 to jump in here. We'll be back on

11 KSDO live from the Republican National Convention on 1130 talk Campaign '96, Supporting Candidates

12 radio.


A Well, I think it wasn't a partisan speech but it was an issue-oriented

speech. And the point of this is not Coleman, per se. It is

allowing the former Mayor and the current head of the Republican

party in California, his proper due. And the only reason this is

at all an issue is because I think this demonstrates a weakness in

the current Republican party that did not exist when Ronald Reagan

headed it.

I think that if Bob Dole is going to take hold of his party and is going to

have any success against Bill Clinton that you know, he's going to

have to get control of these right wingers who blatantly don't

like Pete Wilson. Please tell me that if Wilson weren't

anti-abortion that he would have been treated this way at all. I

think this has really got to do with with the fact that

conservatives really dislike him. I have think if Bob Dole is

going to make up the ground against Clinton if he's going to beat

Clinton he's going to have to take care of Pat Buchanan and Babe

Buchanan and control his party.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Sir this is a lot of hooey. This is hooey. That's

probably in your dictionary, too.

This is hooey because on the right wing if you want to use that -- that

analogy. And I'll use your vocabulary.

GUEST: All right.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Pat Buchanan is not speaking at this convention either,

and for the very same reason as Pete Wilson he's a disloyal shin

kicker who have trying to come around and get into this. But the

truth is when he was kicking Bob Dole in the shins as recently as

lasted week Bob Dole said I'm not going to let you speak at the

convention and I admire Bob Dole saying we've got a platform if

you don't agree with it get out. And if you're being go to the

taxpayer convention on right or you can go to the democrat on the

left or you can do to some convention where you're comfortable.

This is republican convention this is the Republican platform and

this is the T.

GUEST: Bob Dole who has blatantly said in the San Diego union who

doesn't support the platform isn't going to let anybody.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Don't you -- don't you dare.

GUEST: I mean please. Come on now.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Don't you dare. There are within -- and Ronald Reagan

said this, this party says this. There are people who disagree on

a lot of issues. I don't like NAFTA, I don't like GAT. I'm

here. And that's what a lot of people are saying.

This is not a party like the communist party where you have to have 99.2

percent.

GUEST: You should speak to Babe Buchanan.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Sir, thank you for making -- thank you for making the

opposition points of view. But look, let me just tell you that

Bob Dole is not operating here on an idea logical platform many he

is operating because he has a single goal in mind and that is to

unify the party and bring as many people as people in order to

fight the good fight, the uphill fight, the very uphill fight

against the incumbent platform president Bill Clinton.

GUEST: How do you unify a party when you oppose views that Ronald

Reagan in his wildest dreams would never have done? Look at the

1992 platform.

MR. HEDGECOCK: It did not happen.

GUEST: George Bush allowed his own opponent to speak there --

MR. HEDGECOCK: And George Bush did not make it, did he?

GUEST: In any measure --

MR. HEDGECOCK: No. What I'm saying, sir, is the debate is over.

We've had the debate the platform for three days and debated it

publicly. Was written in ten minutes on orders from Washington in

a private session the President was not invited to nor was the

public. We have an open party. In prime time TV, what good is it

going to do for candidate -- excandidates, failed candidate X or Y

to stands up and rehash the issues they've already lost.

GUEST: But that's not necessarily what was going to happen.

MR. HEDGECOCK: And what is yes, it was.

GUEST: And it would show Bob Dole to be -- it would show him to be

presidential caliber.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Who are you voting for -- who who who who who who who.

GUEST: Very intelligent, Roger. Thank you very much.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Who are you voting for in November? We're going to

take a break right now. Good grief.

MR. HEDGECOCK: So how do you feel about Pete Wilson speaking at the

convention? Let's try a telepoll. I don't know the phone

numbers, but I'm sure someone will tell me. And let's set it up

this way: The question being, "do you think Pete Wilson should

speak at the convention in his -- whatever time he wants, whatever

length he wants, whatever topic he wants? Do you agree with the

caller that Pete Wilson should have been able to speak in the

context that we have discussed? And I won't go into the context

again. Do you think Pete Wilson should be able to speak at the

convention is basically it. And if you think he should, the phone

number is, 570-1YES and if you think he should not 570-10NO. If

you think he should speak at the convention 570-1YES and 570-10NO

if you think he shouldn't.

Julia DeBryan; is that correct.

GUEST: Yes.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Julia DeBryan, 16 from La Canada, California is part of

the University of California program. And Julia, welcome to the

show.

GUEST: Thank you.

MR. HEDGECOCK: How are you?

GUEST: I'm fine.

MR. HEDGECOCK: How are we doing at the convention?

GUEST: Very well.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Very well. Who have you seen that you liked the best?

GUEST: I've seen Brian Bilbray.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes, Brian Bilbray the star of the freshman class.

GUEST: I've seen Colin Powell.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Colin Powell.

GUEST: I haven't been around that much.

MR. HEDGECOCK: You're doing better than me. I just now saw Brian and

I've never seen Colin Powell. You're doing better than me.

What do you hope to come away with from this convention? What are you

hoping for?

GUEST: I hope it will help me in my journalism and get me more into

politics in my future.

MR. HEDGECOCK: That's where you're headed.

GUEST: Yep.

MR. HEDGECOCK: You're going to go into politics.

GUEST: Maybe.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Take a couple of aspirin and lay down. That feeling

will go away.

Dan Cordell is with us as well.

GUEST: Hi.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Did I say your name correctly Cordell?

GUEST: Yeah, you get it.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Barnaget, New Jersey.

GUEST: Barnaget.

MR. HEDGECOCK: You say it kind of funny out here on the West Coast.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Well, we have an accent. Forgive us our accent. What

goes on Barnaget, New Jersey? Where are you near that I would

know?

A The Atlantic ocean.

MR. HEDGECOCK: I know that one. I mean that.

I want to tell you a little story about there's a member of San Diego Padres

who will go unnamed who when they were traveling back east took

his wife to see the sunset over at the shore in New Jersey. And

we had to have a little remedial geography lesson, and then

everything was okay. Tell them why that's a problem.

GUEST: Well the Atlantic Ocean the sun sets over the west coast the

sun rises on the atlantic ocean.

MR. HEDGECOCK: You're not going to see it from Jersey. Plus we've got

a problem with polution in the air.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Do you go in the water anyway?

GUEST: Yeah. Yeah. We get a lot of polution down in New York and it

hasn't -- we're blaming the City for most of it it's getting

better, though.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Do you like your governor there Christy Todd Whitman?

A I like Christy Whitman. Most of the state likes Christy Whitman. I

think she has national aspirations and she spends a lot of her

time outside the state.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Nothing wrong with that, if she's producing.

GUEST:

MR. HEDGECOCK: In our case we have someone with national aspirations

who isn't producing.

GUEST: A lot of the times though with her income tax cuts our

municipal taxes were raised to balance it out for the programs.

MR. HEDGECOCK: This is an important point because I got a call from a

guy in Jersey when I was doing the Rush Limbaugh show and I was

filling in and I was talking about across-the-board tax cuts on

the income tax level but he calls in and says that's well and good

but my property tax is twice as high.

GUEST: You see a little difference. Probably maybe save one hundred

dollars in your income taxes for the year. But --

MR. HEDGECOCK: Yes.

GUEST: We like her. We like her. She'll get reelected.

MR. HEDGECOCK: What about Julia? . Let's have you vote in our

telepoll, here. Do you think that Pete Wilson ought to be

speaking speaking at the convention?

GUEST: Do what?

MR. HEDGECOCK: You know who Pete Wilson is.

GUEST: Yeah.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Do you think he should be speaking.

GUEST: No, I don't think he should be speak being.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Why?

GUEST: Because he's against what the republicans are saying. And the

whole point is that to get the positive effect from it and get

people to vote for them.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Look Julia, thank you for being with us. You guys have

fun at the convention. And I'm sure you'll have fun in

San Diego. All right. Thanks a lot. 560-1130 is our phone

number.

And Brian Bilbray how are you.

GUEST: How you doing, Roger?

MR. HEDGECOCK: We saw each other at the beach party yesterday. And

what exciting things have you been doing since then? Have you

been hobnobbing? Have you been talking with the hot shots here?

What have you be doing?

GUEST: Actually, the only -- I was over at the warehouse where we are

going to have some welcoming parties. In fact, tonight is going

to be the Bilbray beach bash over over at 7th and at the old --

the old steel warehouse just off the fifth down --

MR. HEDGECOCK: So you don't break anything?

GUEST: Yeah. They figured if my friends were showing up they didn't

want to have it in anyplace with too many windows and mirrors.

MR. HEDGECOCK: So you're going to some fancy parties and you're going

to hobnob here?

GUEST: Let me be up front with you about it. I actually spent this

morning -- instead of going on to the floor, I took my 11 year old

son and a congressman from Huntington Beach, Dana Robacher and

went Tourmalene.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Wait a minute I'm working and you're in Tourmalene

working?

GUEST: It was important to try to educate Dana about water pollution

issues and how important San Diego's resources are. And I figured

that's a higher order than hanging around at the convention this

morning.

Now, I've got obligations that I'm going to have to fulfill but I think

we've got to keep focused. This is San Diego. We're not in

Chicago. And we've got to remember the real main event is not on

the house floor or on the convention floor. The main event is

San Diego and the experience that you -- and I know being hometown

boys --

GUEST: It's a real culture shock. My God are you. Crazy enough to go

to Washington when you're from this town? And they're right.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Absolutely. You haven't lost a thing. Keeping things

in total perspective. Where was I? I've got a hotel room down

here like some guy from Michigan, and I'm back and forth doing

interviews I was at out at 6 o'clock this morning on Channel 9

KUSI. I'll tell you what, it was early.

GUEST: I had a heavy schedule.

MR. HEDGECOCK: The beach party.

GUEST: The cancer fundraiser was the first event. The first event was

the surfing competition that raised funds for the cancer research

foundation. And I hear it was maxed out; the largest fundraiser

they ever had. Then we had to go over to Mission Bay for the

beach party and did a little bit of performing with the

Jan and Dean -- the couple of bands there. In fact the -- who was

it? The Union Gap.

MR. HEDGECOCK: Barry Wonket was in, yep.

GUEST: And we've had some good surf displayed. Danny even enticed me

to get up on stage with him on a surfboard. Which can be

dangerous if you ever see the way this guy from Huntington Beach

handles a surfboard. It's the same as his surfing with his

politics. He just goes right all the time. And I keep trying it

enlighten him that there's two sides to every wave or I have been

and try to remain a litt